{"id":3470,"date":"2014-05-05T15:49:14","date_gmt":"2014-05-05T17:49:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.iapop.com\/?p=3470"},"modified":"2025-05-17T10:33:58","modified_gmt":"2025-05-17T09:33:58","slug":"interview-with-arny-amy-mindell-on-state-of-the-world-and-worldwork","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/iapop.com\/sk\/interview-with-arny-amy-mindell-on-state-of-the-world-and-worldwork\/","title":{"rendered":"Rozhovor s Arnym a Amy Mindellov\u00fdmi o stave sveta a Worldwork"},"content":{"rendered":"

State of the World a Worldwork:<\/strong><\/p>\n

Rozhovor s Amy a Arnym Mindellovcami od Billa Saya<\/p>\n

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1)\u010co je to Worldwork?<\/p>\n

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V\u010faka za rozhovor s Billom, pr\u00e1ve sed\u00edme na letisku a vraciame sa z<\/p>\n

svetovej pr\u00e1ce a ocenili sme va\u0161u t\u00edmov\u00fa pr\u00e1cu a t\u00edmov\u00fa pr\u00e1cu cel\u00e9ho n\u00e1\u0161ho person\u00e1lu.<\/p>\n

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Worldwork? Stru\u010dne povedan\u00e9, je to sp\u00f4sob pr\u00e1ce na svetov\u00fdch probl\u00e9moch, ktor\u00fd je orientovan\u00fd na vn\u00fatorn\u00e9 vz\u0165ahy, organiz\u00e1ciu a pr\u00e1cu vo ve\u013ek\u00fdch skupin\u00e1ch. Ako v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ina vie, demokracia, ktor\u00e1 je zalo\u017een\u00e1 na moci ob\u010danov, teda gr\u00e9cky \"demo-kratie\", je jednozna\u010dne krokom \u010falej vo vedom\u00ed ne\u017e diktat\u00fara.<\/p>\n

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Ale aj ke\u010f je demokracia krokom, nie v\u017edy funguje dobre v zmysle zni\u017eovania n\u00e1siln\u00fdch konfliktov. Pre\u010do?, preto\u017ee u\u010d\u00ed o zdie\u013ean\u00ed moci, ale neu\u010d\u00ed o vz\u0165ahu, ktor\u00fd presahuje moc. \u010eal\u0161\u00edm krokom nad r\u00e1mec moci je rozv\u00edjanie udr\u017eate\u013enej\u0161ieho kontaktu s ostatn\u00fdmi a schopnos\u0165 vz\u00e1jomnej spolupr\u00e1ce.<\/p>\n

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Svetov\u00e1 pr\u00e1ca je teda zalo\u017een\u00e1 na tom, \u010do Arny nazval \"hlbokou demokraciou\", ktor\u00e1 kladie d\u00f4raz na uvedomenie, a nielen na moc. Uvedomenie si interakcie znamen\u00e1 plynulej\u0161ie vz\u0165ahy, uvedomenie si hlasov\u00fdch a telesn\u00fdch sign\u00e1lov, uvedomenie si spolo\u010dn\u00fdch moment\u00e1lnych a historick\u00fdch rol\u00ed at\u010f. Najvonkaj\u0161ie a najdramatickej\u0161ie aspekty svetovej pr\u00e1ce sa objavuj\u00fa pri pr\u00e1ci vo ve\u013ek\u00fdch skupin\u00e1ch, ako sme to pr\u00e1ve za\u017eili vo Var\u0161ave... \u00fa\u017easn\u00e9... vidie\u0165 500 \u013eud\u00ed zo 43 kraj\u00edn, ako spolu pracuj\u00fa .<\/p>\n

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2) \u010co v\u00e1s dnes tr\u00e1pi v s\u00favislosti s Worldwork a s\u00fa\u010dasnou situ\u00e1ciou vo svete?<\/p>\n

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Najviac si uvedomujeme potrebu zamera\u0165 sa na rie\u0161enia a zmenu soci\u00e1lneho syst\u00e9mu. Rovnako d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00e9 alebo mo\u017eno e\u0161te d\u00f4le\u017eitej\u0161ie s\u00fa v\u0161ak udr\u017eate\u013en\u00e9 vz\u0165ahy. Aby sme tak\u00e9to vz\u0165ahy dosiahli, niektor\u00ed z n\u00e1s sa musia nau\u010di\u0165, ako u\u013eah\u010dova\u0165 a by\u0165 star\u0161\u00edmi, ktor\u00ed poznaj\u00fa a z\u00fa\u010dast\u0148uj\u00fa sa s r\u00f4znymi stranami a r\u00f4znymi rolami vo svojom vn\u00fatri i mimo neho v skupinov\u00fdch procesoch. Tak\u00edto star\u0161\u00ed m\u00f4\u017eu premeni\u0165 konflikt na plynul\u00e9 a tvoriv\u00e9 vz\u0165ahy, v ktor\u00fdch si \u013eudia rozumej\u00fa a spolupracuj\u00fa.<\/p>\n

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3) O stave sveta sa v mnoh\u00fdch oh\u013eadoch dozved\u00e1me prostredn\u00edctvom spr\u00e1v, ktor\u00e9 dost\u00e1vame z nov\u00edn, internetu, telev\u00edzie a rozhlasu. Existuje nie\u010do o stave sveta, \u010do nemus\u00ed by\u0165 tak zrejm\u00e9 prostredn\u00edctvom t\u00fdchto be\u017enej\u0161\u00edch komunika\u010dn\u00fdch prostriedkov, najm\u00e4 ak sa na to pozer\u00e1me z poh\u013eadu Worldwork?<\/p>\n

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Spr\u00e1vy s\u00fa pln\u00e9 polar\u00edt, ako ich definuje na\u0161a s\u00fa\u010dasn\u00e1 konsenzu\u00e1lna realita, ktor\u00e1 z\u00e1vis\u00ed od kult\u00fary, \u013eud\u00ed a krajiny. Vonkaj\u0161\u00edmi s\u00fapermi tak m\u00f4\u017eu by\u0165 jedna krajina proti druhej alebo jeden n\u00e1rod proti druh\u00e9mu.<\/p>\n

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Nie je v\u0161ak tak\u00e9 samozrejm\u00e9, \u017ee sa v\u017edy n\u00e1jde nieko\u013eko \u013eud\u00ed, ktor\u00ed s\u00fa schopn\u00ed vc\u00edti\u0165 sa do v\u0161etk\u00fdch str\u00e1n. A \u010do tie\u017e nie je tak\u00e9 samozrejm\u00e9, je to, \u017ee s\u00fa\u010dasn\u00e9 konflikty s\u00fa do istej miery zalo\u017een\u00e9 na nespracovan\u00fdch, neoddiskutovan\u00fdch historick\u00fdch ot\u00e1zkach, na ktor\u00e9 \u013eudia rad\u0161ej zab\u00fadaj\u00fa, ne\u017e aby ich spracovali. Je to pochopite\u013en\u00e9, ka\u017ed\u00fd sa chce vyhn\u00fa\u0165 bolesti, ale potrebujeme viac ako toto vyh\u00fdbanie sa. Spome\u0148me si na vz\u0165ahy medzi Ruskom, Po\u013eskom, Ukrajinou, Nemeckom, Talianskom, Ma\u010farskom, Est\u00f3nskom, ....... at\u010f. Pr\u00e1ve teraz sa vo Var\u0161ave objavili \u010d\u00edsla 2nd<\/sup> svetov\u00fa vojnu a komunistick\u00fa \u00e9ru bolo potrebn\u00e9 najprv za\u017ei\u0165 a spracova\u0165, aby mohlo d\u00f4js\u0165 k porozumeniu medzi \u013eu\u010fmi.<\/p>\n

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4) \u010c\u00edtanie o stave sveta m\u00f4\u017ee by\u0165 ve\u013emi znepokojuj\u00face. M\u00f4\u017eete poveda\u0165 nie\u010do, \u010do stav sveta d\u00e1va do kontrastu s procesom vo svete? A je pod\u013ea v\u00e1s proces sveta rovnako alarmuj\u00faci?<\/p>\n

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#### Stav sveta je \"stav\", to znamen\u00e1 zmrazen\u00fd obraz, ktor\u00fd m\u00e1 by\u0165 zalo\u017een\u00fd na tom, \u010do nejak\u00e1 skupina pova\u017euje takpovediac za dobr\u00fdch alebo zl\u00fdch \"chlapcov\". Ke\u010f v\u0161ak za\u010dneme veci spracov\u00e1va\u0165 vo vn\u00fatri alebo v organiz\u00e1ci\u00e1ch \u010di skupin\u00e1ch, \u013eudia si zrazu uvedomia, \u017ee \u010dasto nie s\u00fa len zamrznut\u00ed, ale pokojne sa c\u00edtia tak trochu ako druh\u00e1 strana. Ke\u010f si to niekto uvedom\u00ed, m\u00f4\u017ee si niekedy vymeni\u0165 roly, sta\u0165 sa plynulej\u0161\u00edm a pom\u00f4c\u0165 vytvori\u0165 vedomej\u0161ie spolo\u010denstvo. Ke\u010f sa to stane, t\u00e1to plynulos\u0165 umo\u017e\u0148uje rie\u0161enia a vz\u0165ahy presahuj\u00face r\u00e1mec jedn\u00e9ho rie\u0161enia.<\/p>\n

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5) Va\u0161a pr\u00e1ca nazna\u010duje, \u017ee entity maj\u00fa tematick\u00e9 korene alebo m\u00fdty, ktor\u00e9 s\u00fa pr\u00edtomn\u00e9 na samom za\u010diatku vec\u00ed, korene, ktor\u00e9 \u010dasto pretrv\u00e1vaj\u00fa v\u00fdznamn\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom. M\u00e1te nejak\u00e9 \u00favahy o najz\u00e1kladnej\u0161ej t\u00e9me sveta a diela Worldwork?<\/p>\n

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###V danej kult\u00fare a \u013eude je mnoho m\u00fdtick\u00fdch kore\u0148ov. Jeden z hlavn\u00fdch svetov\u00fdch m\u00fdtov zobrazuje Boha, ktor\u00fd hovor\u00ed prv\u00fdm \u013eu\u010fom, aby nerobili ur\u010dit\u00e9 veci v \"nebi\". Ke\u010f sa tak stane, tento \"Boh\" sa nahnev\u00e1 a po\u0161le prv\u00fa \u017eenu a prv\u00e9ho mu\u017ea na zem, kde nastane smr\u0165. Tento pr\u00edbeh je d\u00f4le\u017eit\u00fd, preto\u017ee podobne ako tento \"Boh\", aj my mus\u00edme zauja\u0165 stanovisko a podobne ako tento \"Boh\" poveda\u0165 \"nie\" veciam, ktor\u00e9 pova\u017eujeme za nespr\u00e1vne. Ale z\u00e1rove\u0148 obmedzenie d\u013a\u017eky \u017eivota \"zl\u00fdch \u013eud\u00ed\" nie je \u017eiadnym rie\u0161en\u00edm.<\/p>\n

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Potrebujeme nov\u00fd m\u00fdtus pre udr\u017eate\u013en\u00e9 rie\u0161enia, v ktorom sa nielen nezhodneme a nenahnev\u00e1me na druh\u00fdch, ale nau\u010d\u00edme sa aj spracova\u0165 vz\u0165ahy a nau\u010d\u00edme sa vych\u00e1dza\u0165 s \u013eu\u010fmi.<\/p>\n

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6)Pod\u013ea m\u00f4jho ch\u00e1pania a sk\u00fasenost\u00ed s Worldwork sa zd\u00e1, \u017ee Worldwork m\u00e1 nezvy\u010dajn\u00fd sp\u00f4sob, ako vst\u00fapi\u0165 do probl\u00e9mu sk\u00fasenostne, aby ho pochopil, rozvinul a vybudoval spolo\u010denstvo. M\u00f4\u017eete sa k tomu vyjadri\u0165?<\/p>\n

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\u010co je na tom zvl\u00e1\u0161tneho? \u00c1no, tento term\u00edn samozrejme z\u00e1vis\u00ed od skupiny, kult\u00fary+ situ\u00e1cie. Niektor\u00e9 skupiny bud\u00fa pracova\u0165 na h\u013eadan\u00ed vn\u00fatorn\u00fdch rol\u00ed. In\u00e9 s\u00fa viac v pohode, hraj\u00fa roly a menia si ich vo ve\u013ek\u00fdch skupin\u00e1ch.<\/p>\n

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Potrebujeme svet, mo\u017eno u\u017e od materskej \u0161koly, kde sa o konfliktoch m\u00f4\u017ee otvorene a bezpe\u010dne diskutova\u0165 a sprac\u00fava\u0165 ich v skupine a uprostred nej. Ist\u00fdm sp\u00f4sobom potrebujeme nov\u00e9 matersk\u00e9 \u0161koly, a to umo\u017en\u00ed vznik nov\u00fdch svetov.<\/p>\n

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7) M\u00f4\u017eete na\u0161im ve\u013emi r\u00f4znorod\u00fdm div\u00e1kom, ktor\u00ed m\u00f4\u017eu za\u017e\u00edva\u0165 r\u00f4zne stupne za\u010dlenenia alebo vyl\u00fa\u010denia, moci alebo jej nedostatku, a napriek tomu h\u013eadaj\u00fa lep\u0161ie sp\u00f4soby spolo\u010dn\u00e9ho \u017eivota a pr\u00e1ce, pon\u00faknu\u0165 nejak\u00e9 v\u0161eobecn\u00e9 n\u00e1vrhy?<\/p>\n

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\u00c1no, nasledujte svoje vlastn\u00e9 ja, svoje vlastn\u00e9 sny. Ak je to mo\u017en\u00e9, hovorte o konfliktoch s ostatn\u00fdmi a uk\u00e1\u017ete, ako m\u00f4\u017eete sami vytv\u00e1ra\u0165 konflikty t\u00fdm, \u017ee si nebudete vedom\u00ed svojich hodnost\u00ed. Ka\u017ed\u00fd z n\u00e1s m\u00e1 nejak\u00fa hodnos\u0165 a moc, postavte sa za \u0148u a potom si bu\u010fte vedom\u00ed, \u017ee to m\u00f4\u017ee dr\u00e1\u017edi\u0165 a podnecova\u0165 \"mocensk\u00e9 boje\" s in\u00fdmi. In\u00fdmi slovami, zaujmite stanovisko, potom pochopte druh\u00e9ho a bu\u010fte n\u00edm.<\/p>\n

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8) Zd\u00e1 sa, \u017ee mnoh\u00ed \u013eudia a skupiny by chceli zmeni\u0165 svet, ovplyvni\u0165 ho alebo inak s n\u00edm pracova\u0165, ale mo\u017eno si nie s\u00fa ist\u00ed, ako maximalizova\u0165 svoj \u00fa\u010dinok. M\u00f4\u017eete pon\u00faknu\u0165 nejak\u00e9 n\u00e1pady alebo povzbudenie t\u00fdm, ktor\u00ed z\u00e1pasia s t\u00fdm, ako \u010do najlep\u0161ie zmeni\u0165 tento svet?<\/p>\n

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#####Yes, u\u017e\u00edvajte si ak\u00e9ko\u013evek pohodlie, ktor\u00e9 m\u00f4\u017eete n\u00e1js\u0165, a potom cho\u010fte do skup\u00edn a kult\u00far, o ktor\u00fdch toho ve\u013ea neviete, alebo v ktor\u00fdch sa c\u00edtite nepr\u00edjemne, aby ste spoznali r\u00f4zne komunika\u010dn\u00e9 \u0161t\u00fdly a sp\u00f4soby bytia. Vytv\u00e1rajte viac spolo\u010denstva medzi v\u0161etk\u00fdmi n\u00e1rodmi, robte to po svojom, ale robte to.<\/p>\n

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9) Viem, \u017ee ste sa pri pr\u00e1ci so skupinami po celom svete nau\u010dili ve\u013ea vec\u00ed, s\u00fa nejak\u00e9 konkr\u00e9tne poznatky, ktor\u00e9 v\u00e1m dnes prich\u00e1dzaj\u00fa na myse\u013e?<\/p>\n

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V\u0161etci, aj t\u00ed zl\u00ed, s\u00fa s\u00fa\u010das\u0165ou na\u0161ej rodiny. Takisto existuj\u00fa z\u00e1kladn\u00e9 procesn\u00e9 \u0161trukt\u00fary, ktor\u00e9 za\u017e\u00edvaj\u00fa v\u0161etky skupiny bez oh\u013eadu na ich kult\u00faru. V\u0161etky skupiny klebetia, maj\u00fa roly duchov, dvojit\u00e9 sign\u00e1ly. A takmer v ka\u017edej skupine s\u00fa star\u0161\u00ed, ktor\u00ed prich\u00e1dzaj\u00fa \"odnikia\u013e\"... ktor\u00ed \u010dasto nie s\u00fa ur\u010den\u00fdmi facilit\u00e1tormi. T\u00edto \u013eudia maj\u00fa otvoren\u00fa n\u00e1ru\u010d, s\u00fa tu pre v\u0161etk\u00fdch a m\u00f4\u017eu sedie\u0165 v ohni.<\/p>\n

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10) Mnoh\u00e9 skupiny, organiz\u00e1cie a komunity z\u00e1pasia s konfliktami. M\u00e1te nejak\u00e9 n\u00e1vrhy?<\/p>\n

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###Bojujte, chr\u00e1\u0148te sa a potom si premyslite, ako sme na tom my ostatn\u00ed.<\/p>\n

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11) Ako sa vyv\u00edja Worldwork a odr\u00e1\u017ea jeho v\u00fdvoj v\u00e4\u010d\u0161ie glob\u00e1lne tendencie?<\/p>\n

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####Viac ako kedyko\u013evek predt\u00fdm je na celom svete z\u00e1ujem o svetov\u00fa pr\u00e1cu - a mnoh\u00ed l\u00eddri maj\u00fa o \u0148u z\u00e1ujem, ale ost\u00fdchaj\u00fa sa to verejne poveda\u0165. Zmena sa v\u0161ak u n\u00e1s uskuto\u010dn\u00ed, ak sa za\u010dneme meni\u0165 u\u017e v materskej \u0161kole, ke\u010f si deti bud\u00fa precvi\u010dova\u0165 sveton\u00e1zor na ihrisku.<\/p>\n

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12) Amy, v predn\u00e1\u0161ke o pr\u00e1ci vo svete, ktor\u00fa ste s Arnym mali minul\u00fd rok v Yachats, ste hovorili o n\u00e1deji, ktor\u00fa vid\u00edte v pr\u00e1ci s r\u00f4znymi skupinami na celom svete. Mohla by si sa vyjadri\u0165 k tejto n\u00e1deji?<\/p>\n

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#### \u00e1no, ke\u010f skupina pou\u017e\u00edva uvedomelos\u0165 a oce\u0148uje, kde sa \u013eudia nach\u00e1dzaj\u00fa, a pou\u017e\u00edva r\u00f4zne n\u00e1stroje, dej\u00fa sa \u00fa\u017easn\u00e9 veci. \u013dudia m\u00f4\u017eu by\u0165 konfliktn\u00ed, ale s ur\u010dit\u00fdm uvedomen\u00edm m\u00f4\u017eu by\u0165 skupiny \u00fa\u017easn\u00e9. Videli sme to v spojeniach s organiz\u00e1ciami, z\u00e1ujmov\u00fdmi skupinami, cirkvami, skupinami OSN a \u013eu\u010fmi na celom svete.<\/p>\n

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13) Michal Wertheimer Shimoni sa p\u00fdtal na radu pre \u013eud\u00ed \u017eij\u00facich v konfliktn\u00fdch z\u00f3nach.<\/p>\n

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###Yes, starajte sa najprv o seba, potom za\u010dnite opatrne a konzervat\u00edvne hra\u0165 s\u00fapera a plynul\u00e9 interakcie a v hre na role demon\u0161trujte, ako to robi\u0165 s priate\u013emi a skupinami. K\u013e\u00fa\u010dom k \u00faspechu je by\u0165 niekedy oponentmi, ktor\u00ed argumentuj\u00fa proti sebe.<\/p>\n

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14) Matt Stella polo\u017eil ot\u00e1zku o uplat\u0148ovan\u00ed Worldwork v oblasti, kde je obyvate\u013estvo dos\u0165 homog\u00e9nne.<\/p>\n

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1. Budujte ich hrdos\u0165, potom pomaly predstavte \u00falohy ostatn\u00fdch skup\u00edn, ktor\u00e9 nemusia by\u0165 pr\u00edtomn\u00e9. Ako? Uk\u00e1\u017ete to pri nakupovan\u00ed, na letisku a v uliciach mesta \uf04a.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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